The Irrelevant Germaine Greer

I actually remember Germaine Greer from the early days of Second Wave feminism.

I remember her as being sort of a joke, the sexy feminist, the feminist loved by men and dismissed by many other second wave feminists as a wannabee starlette.

In many ways she was like today’s so called self anointed activist, a legend in her own mind rather than an actual organizer or real activist.

That said it should be pointed out that she has been anti-transsexual since the publication of “The Female Eunuch” circa 1972.

A famous quote by Beatrice Evelyn Hall often attributed to Voltaire: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

I despise trigger warnings, censorship or the denying of people a place to meet.  Even when those people are Nazis or other loathsome sorts.

You have a right to an opinion, I have the right to be offended.  For me to deny you the right to have an opinion because I am offended would mean I could be denied the right to an opinion that offends you.

I am called a racist and an Islamophobe because I treasure the freedoms accorded by Western Civilization, the Age of Reason and Rule by Law rather than the superstitious babblings of bronze age power trippers.

I am adamantly opposed to the BDS Movement, the denial of Israeli scholars to lecture in various universities and I am opposed to the efforts to silence a group of people I abhor, the TERFs including Julie Bindel and Germaine Greer.

The silencing of these people does not prove the rightness or righteousness of trans-people and their cause.  If anything it proves the weakness of the cases presented by trans-folks.

It makes those attempting the silencing of their critic seem like Lenin and Stalin who felt it necessary to silence any dissenters including Bakunin and Trotsky who dissented from the path of the Bolsheviks.

It is the opposite of free speech and freedom of thought.

Further it enlarges the platform of these dismal bigots by calling attention to their biased babbling.

You have the right to be offended.  I have noted how many are offended by Greer’s statements.  I too am offended even as I stand by her right to say those offensive things without being subjected to an electronic lynch mob of e-activists calling for her head while safely ensconced in front of a monitor and key board in their jammies.

12 Responses to “The Irrelevant Germaine Greer”

  1. Cassandraspeaks Says:

    Bravo Suzan I agree with that one wholeheartedly. Yes I’m Still alive. Peace and Love to you and Tina.

    • Suzan Says:

      Rights and freedoms have to be universal in order to be rights and freedoms. If rights and freedoms are restricted to only certain groups they are no longer rights and freedoms, they become privileges that can be denied to less favored groups.

      Further I am tired of internet lynch mobs deciding that having a few thousand sycophants bestows upon them the authority to deny others their rights and freedoms.

  2. oopster74 Says:

    If it were upto people like Greer, our freedoms would be taken away, treated as second class citizens. She can have whatever opinion she likes, but places of learning like universities and the media shouldn’t entertain her bigotry, ignorance and intolerance, we don’t give racists a platform to spread their bile, so why people like Greer?

    • Suzan Says:

      Your opinion is that of every single tyrant. You know the absolute truth and should be the only one allowed to speak your opinion. In reality opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, it is part of the human condition. Having come out in the era when people who had sex change operations were transsexual and getting SRS was part of going from being male to being female or being female to being male I have watched the transgender movement’s manipulation of language with certain detachment. I was post-transsexual before the current ideology and don’t much buy into it no matter how many Twitteratti and e-activists passionately believe in it.

      Be that as it may. You have the right to your opinion and your ideology. I have the right to think it, “gender” is actually something that oppresses female people by defining woman as gender role rather than simply being an adult person who is female.

      I’m an American I believe you have the right to your own thoughts and to speak your own opinion, even on campuses. It is sort of like supporting Angela Davis’s rights to be a professor even thogh she has a questionable history and McCarthyites wouldn’t permit her or other 1960s radicals to teach.

      I don’t think Greer is much of a feminist but I also think denying her the right to freedom of thought and speech diminishes the freedoms of all people.

      • oopster74 Says:

        Far too long a comment for me to reply on my phone so I’ll try to keep it brief.

        US freedom of speech laws mean kkk’s can leaflet their hateful bile in black neighbourhoods making them feel unsafe. It can stir up racial tension / hatred leading to violence and deaths. It allows the WBC to picket the funerals of dead soldiers causing no end of distress to their loved ones.

        Freedom of speech comes with responsibility of speech, or at least it should. Germaine Greer has the right to spew her hateful bile whenever or wherever she wants, and the rest of us have the right to tell her and others that we don’t want to hear that, and to protest her stance or to support her. She can’t back up her theories with science or fact, and she’s the one that pulled out of the event, not the event cancelling her.

        • Suzan Says:

          I for one am very glad I am American. I am proud of the rights Americans have as defined in our Constitution. I wouldn’t give up those rights for citizenship anywhere else in the world.

          You apparently have problems with others having free speech. I see that as lacking in empathy, the ability to place yourself in the shoes of others.

          Suppose you lived in a theocratic fascist state where others had the right of denying LGBT people their right of free speech. Say they tipped walls over on them, crucified them, beheaded them, stoned them and threw them from buildings as under say the Wahabbis.

          There are no problems of dissent, or fee speech in these countries.

          Freedom is messy, chaotic because everyone has the same rights. What you are proposing is dictatorship where no one is free to speak a dissenting opinion.

          For what it is worth LGBT people suffer under those sorts of regimes because our rights are based on principles that have their roots in the age of reason, humanism, democracy and all those wondrous things which make those who live in Western Civilizations truly blessed.

          Now you have basically given me reason to view you as a little Stalin wannabee who thinks they have the right to dictate to others how they should think or what opinions you are allowed to voice. Given my reaction should I go forth and mount a petition drive, an e-campaign to silence you?

          The answer is actually a question. Why would I do that? To do so would negate what I said earlier. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. You have a right to your opinion. Have a nice day.

          • oopster74 Says:

            Omg really! You know what? The rules of American free speech aren’t what I have issue with, it’s the people who abuse those rules. Freedom of speech was never intended for the uses some people use it for, like hassling blacks, picketing funerals – are you proud of the people that do that? Because they’re assholes of you ask me. In the UK, which is a democracy and not a dictatorship, you can say whatever you want, but you are held responsible for what you say and can be held accountable for it. If I call someone a racist name for example, I can be reported to the police for it, be questioned about it, it’s unlikely I’d be charged with anything though, and most likely given a warning the first time, with escalating actions if I were to continue acting that way. I will defend anyone’s right to free speech, but I’ll tell them if I disagree with them.

            • Suzan Says:

              We declared our independence from Britain nearly 250 years ago and fought a war to make that independence a reality. Mostly we like Britain and consider them our closest ally, but we do things differently here.

              We consider Freedom of Speech to be our most valuable right and we consider the right to keep and bear arms nearly as important.

              It may be hard for you to understand but there is a difference between being an American Citizen and a British Subject.

              Years ago the American Civil Liberties Union defended the rights of the Nazis and KKK to gather. It was then I learned that defending the rights of the most loathsome is as important as defending the rights of the most admirable.

              Further I think it is important for you to know that I am of an era before Stonewall, a time when being LGBT risked social sanction and in some cases arrest. One of the first fights LGBT people had to wage was the right to publish and send newsletters through the mail. I know what it is to be a member of a group that was hated by the general public and had its rights to free speech denied.

              This is why I am hesitant to institute political correctness laws.

              • oopster74 Says:

                Political Correctness has a place, but all too often it’s too much and in the wrong place. Don’t try to think what might offend someone and make rules about it, just don’t be an asshole and you won’t offend anyone, and if you do offend someone unintentionally, apologise to them (just to be clear, I’m not calling anyone an asshole, I’m saying don’t be an asshole in the first place). Unfortunately, assholes outnumber non assholes by a large majority. The thing is, you being American have your cultural rules etc that you’re used to and proud or ashamed of, and so do I bring British, yet it’s so difficult to try to understand the other persons viewpoint on this sometimes. Yes free speech is important, but no one should be allowed to spread lies and hatred. Here we can say what we want but we can be sued for saying it, I think it’s libel / slander – one is verbal and one is print. With freedom of speech should come responsibility of speech, and as for the right to bear arms, that’s when a musket took a minute to reload and you couldn’t fire 200 rounds a minute.

              • Suzan Says:

                If we had machine guns in 1776 they would have been the standard. As it was the single shot flintlock or musket was the state of the art assault rifle of its time. End of that story.

                Why is it that mostly I see the free speech of academics attacked. What about the hoodlums who harass women in the street, surely they should be in prison?

                What about those who do not conform in thought, word and ded? Who gets to be the social arbiter? Do religious ministers, whom I consider hucksters and frauds get to push their version of all that is correct, good and proper.

                Or is the final arbiter to be the “social activists who form electronic lynch mobs to harass and punish those whom they believe are guilty of not conforming to forenamed activists version of proper thought?

                You folks bear a strong resemblence to those I personally find most loathsome, the mobs that marched in lockstep with all of the worst dictators of all time.

  3. Mish Says:

    Well said,
    although I would draw the line at mass-murderers & dictators myself.

    • Suzan Says:

      I believe in rather stronger measures regarding dictators and mass murderers than censorship.

      But regarding censorship: We live in a world where about a half dozen corporations filter the news and turn it into propaganda. I miss the way we used to get news as recently as the pre-internet era before the mass media consolidation. I think we were better informed.

      I despise the recent trend of social media being used to for internet lynch mobs, often based on half truths and half baked ideology. It is highly reminiscent of the unsavory era of Joe McCarthy and in many ways resembles the lynch mobs of the early part of the Twentieth century sans robes and burning crosses. I find many e-activists to be bullies and self righteous assholes firmly convinced their brand of ignorance and ideology is representative of some sort of great truth.

      We are all flawed and often follow false paths. The road to wisdom means admitting to yourself when you have made mistakes in thinking or believing things that turn out to be just plain wrong.

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