Yet another major reason I want nothing to do with the so called Transgender Community, that is more like the Borg Cult, has to do with their rampant heterosexism, partnered with their general sexism.
I do not consider woman a social construct that includes people with penises. It has nothing to do with “gender” either performative or in the form of claimed identity. Women are adult females based on the same criteria that are generally used to assign sex at birth.
Sex Reassignment Surgery or sex change operations are just that; operations that change people’s sex.
I am not very sympathetic towards people who want to have their cake and eat it too. Becoming a woman or man via surgery and expecting to be legally considered a member of the sex to which one has been reassigned means living with the same set of rules other women and men have to live by. Why should you be an exception?
Yes I do hear the pleadings of long term relationships and commitments, prior contracts. Yet I have difficulty reconciling those pleadings with claims of always having known you really were transsexual. That is sort of like the gay man or lesbian who enters a heterosexual marriage hoping to be cured.
Perhaps I would have less difficulty with it and the level of heterosexual privilege such an act entails if there were marriage equality or even if the heterosexual marriages of post-transsexual women and men were not so open to challenge and delegitimatizing.
But we do not live in a perfect world, but rather one that religious fanatics and their political allies have made extremely difficult for people, who fall outside of prescribed boundaries.
Same sex marriage achieved via sex reassignment surgery isn’t new. I knew of one such family in 1972 when I went through surgery in the Stanford Program.
When I have had the opportunity to observe the internal family dynamics many have seemed more like those of heterosexual couples than either gay or lesbian couples. At times they seem to closely resemble the dynamics of families where the husband is a heterosexual transvestite. While this is probably not the case in all or even most of these continued marriages, it is true within a significant percentage of those which I have observed. Indeed it seems more prevalent in the marriages which have been in place for many years and where transsexualism was not on the table from the start. The partner who had surgery to become a woman is still considered the husband by the woman who was the wife. There tends to be a guarded tolerance for the foibles of a husband who appears to be considered a transvestite who has taken transvestism to its logical conclusion.
On the other hand those marriages which played the system with conscious awareness of the transsexualism of one partner seem more born of the queer world than the straight and seem to be an act of fucking with the Taliban Christer mind set.
Unfortunately, unless such marriages are entered when the partner is pre-op they also fuck with our being recognized as legitimate members of the sex to which we have been reassigned.
One of the major elements of the transsexual vs transgender wars has been the fact that both Transgender Inc and the Transgender Borg Collective have their roots in the heterosexual transvestite world. This is true no matter how much Christan Williams asserts otherwise.
For the record I was barred from further comment on a thread where Christan held forth about the important role in the transsexual community played by Angela Keyes Douglas, an egotistical self serving mentally disturbed prick who caused post-transsexual lesbians no end of grief during the 1970s when he penned the letter to “Sister” proclaiming the superiority of transsexuals over assigned female at birth women.
He also wrote letters to various police agencies aimed at bringing police harassment down upon legitimate transsexual organizations and later bragged about doing so while claiming paid informant status.
Should I believe what Angela actually said about being a paid informant? I don’t know. He was a compulsive liar. BTW I use he out of respect for his life choices not as a slur because after getting SRS from Dr. Brown at some point in the 1970s, he reverted to living as a man, dying as a man a few years back.
He was never my sister.
In spite of Christan’s assertions of the long history of transsexual embrace of the term “Transgender” and the random evidence shown for those ties, (Such as a review of the Film “Myra Breckenridge”, a film that aroused the same sort of anger and disgust as the recent “Ticked Off Trannys with Knives”) transsexuals did not embrace the term, “transgender” as applying to them during the 1970s. It was, however, a useful term for those who lived full time but did not get SRS.
Nor was there much of a “Transsexual Community”, if one considers a community based on more than having had an operation. There were various circles of friends. Those of us who were hippie dykes tended to have hippie dyke friends. The same was true of sex workers. The same was true of heterosexual sisters, who embraced a heterosexually married middle class life.
Which brings us back to the “Transgender Community” with its heterosexual transvestite roots.
I’ve been hearing the continuing marriage entered into prior to coming out arguments for the fifteen years or so that I have been on line.
What I haven’t much heard is any acknowledgement of how those marriages undermine our claims of just being ordinary women or men after we have had SRS. Nor, have I heard much discussion as to how these marriages undermine the inclusion of post-transsexual women in the lesbian community, where we still have to combat the arguments of male privilege and heterosexism.
Wanting to both have your cake and eat it too.
At the same time I haven’t seen all that much defense of post-transsexual women’s heterosexual marriages on the part of Transgender Inc. Some seem to give lip service but just as often I have heard the sniping directed at those who were “gay males made heterosexual by surgery”. Along with the general hatred directed toward those of us who have the audacity to think of our cunts as really being vaginas and not neo-vaginas or inverted surgically altered penises.
This makes the claims of lesbian solidarity on the part of many late emergers seem sketchy at times. But let’s be generous and give the benefit of the doubt. If you are lesbian that means putting the interests of women and lesbians first. It doesn’t mean exercising heterosexual privilege and then rubbing it in when there are those of us who met after SRS and who can not marry in many locales.
But more over being post-transsexual and lesbian should mean at least putting the interests of Transgender Inc. on the back burner or ignoring them completely when those interests conflict with either the interests of women in general or the interests of lesbians in the specific.
I support a Trans-Inclusive ENDA albeit one that covers people who live 24/7/365. I do so on the basis of human rights and social justice, not on the blither that comes from Transgender Inc.
At the same time I am fiercely opposed to homophobia. My support for gay and lesbian rights dates from the mid-1960s, about the same time I became part of the anti-war movement.
I denounced homophobia when it came from within the anti-war movement and when it came from the Black Nationalist Movement.
Just as I started denouncing sexism and misogyny after coming out. Perhaps it was a matter of the personal being the political.
I also denounced the homophobia I heard from other transsexual women whether it was directed towards gay men or towards lesbians.
I have been an out lesbian for most of my post-SRS life even though I could cop out and claim bisexuality based on my having had lovers of both sexes.
In what appears to be an emerging war between Transgender Inc and “Gay Inc.” (which conveniently erases lesbians) I have to stand with gay and lesbian people. You see I do not have the same needs as those who have recently come out nor do I identify with either Transgender Inc or the Transgender Borg Collective.
As much as I hate the whole concept of “identity” and “identifying”, I identify as lesbian.
I am extremely disappointed hearing homophobic crap on the blogs of people I other wise respect for their willingness to fight for their principles and stand for what they believe in. I can’t say how saddened I am by what I hear on Transgriot and on the ENDABlog.
It seems to be a part of the mindset that requires one identify as a particular group and work only for the benefit of that specific group.
Where is the snottiness directed at those engaged in the struggle for marriage equality coming from?
Why not a little fucking joy over the fact that pre-ops who are in heterogendered but technically same sex marriages can now marry in New York State along with those of us who are post-transsexual lesbians or gay men. How about a little happiness over the fact that neither post-transsexual heterosexual marriages nor those above mentioned same-sex after SRS marriages can be challenged in NY.
Both Tina and I are from NY. She is from NYC and I am from upstate. We have been filled with joy watching the videos on You Tube, reading the announcements and stories in the New York Times.
We go around asking each other, “Will you marry me? Saying, “Let’s run off to NY and get married.”
The reality is just that fucking awesome…
Christan called me a “Separatist” with regards to Transgender Inc. How can I be a separatist with regards to something I was never a part of is a mystery to me. Perhaps I am a heathen with regards to the Cult of the TG Borg, someone who never believed.
Part of my non-belief is due to the homophobia that seems to reside at the core of something that grew out of the heterosexual transvestite organizations that were contemporary with the pre-Stonewall Gay and Lesbian organizations.
Or maybe some of my sense of not belong dates from an encounter with the Prince of many names, when he told me I couldn’t be a transsexual and had made a mistake in getting SRS because I came out as lesbian afterwards.
Call it homophobia or call it heterosexism but I think I’ll stick with being part of the gay and lesbian movements as their needs and agenda are closer to my needs and agenda than is the agenda of Transgender Inc.
If Transgender Inc ever manages to get beyond the self-centeredness of identity politics and starts to realize there are issues beyond one’s being either transsexual and/or transgender then perhaps they will learn how to be part of some sort of coalition that works towards serving a variety of people with similar needs.
But I am afraid that Transgender Inc and those involved would rather attack gay men and lesbians for failing to put aside gay and lesbian priorities to focus on the late-comer Transgender Community.
One advantage to having been around the Lesbian/Gay Communities for all these years is having been present to watch as events occurred. One of the advantages of having paid attention to the development of the Transgender Community is that I have watched its ideological growth all these many years.
Being post-transsexual and a lesbian I have also watched how it spews hate at anyone who either rejects being categorized as transgender or who fails to devote their entire lives to the cause.
The targets of the focused hate have included lesbians and gay men as well as WBTs, Classic Transsexuals, HBS supporters and people who simply reject all labels. Even failure to live up to expectation resulted in the trashing of Mara Keisling.
But over and above that many gay men and lesbians have been targeted in a manner that suggests extreme homophobia.
This is horizontal hostility of the same sort that has prevented progressive movements from waging an effective defense against the massive ultra-right wing onslaught of the last 40 plus years.
If you look for me at any L/G event I be with the rest of the dykes, I don’t need a “T” or a Trans-Label. A Purple/Black Star and double Venus are quite enough for me.