I’m Getting tired of IS Hijacking Transsexualism

Face it.

The whole thing with people claiming obscure intersex conditions but insisting on hanging out on transsexual lists.  Why are you here?  Really?  Why aren’t you confining yourselves to Intersex lists?

When it comes to getting transsexualism removed from the DSM we do not need a bunch of IS people who all too often come off as disordered narcissists hijacking the debate by standing around proclaiming how special and different they are from ordinary transsexuals.  Folks who come off as neurotic if not flat out psychotic.

I’m starting to think that Intersex is another variation on “classic transsexual”.  An argument for special exceptionalism, a way of assuaging internalized transphobia.

I am looking at the world and seeing that when it comes to getting our legal rights protected the physical cause argument is a total waste of time.  A form of wanking that may feel good but does nothing to end discrimination in employment, marriage, housing etc.  The world wide patterns of  discrimination against people of color where the darker one’s skin the more vicious the discrimination shoots that one full of holes.

I also have serious doubts regarding the supposed huge numbers of infant sex reassignment surgery.  I am starting to have the feeling this may have been something done as an experiment back in the 1940-50s rather than any sort of common practice.  That the idea of this being wide spread is contradicted by the specialized nature of such surgery.  It would be expensive and would require a major medical center.  Perhaps nations with a National Health System, but there would be a major paper trail.  Here in the US where private plans are the only plans other than out of pocket, Health Insurance Programs regularly deny even life saving procedures and avoid the controversial.

But here transkids are in major conflict with the so called Intersex activists.  While intersex activists seem to be anti-childhood sex reassignment people with transsexualism and transgenderism are pushing for the rights of children to transition at a younger and younger age with their rights to a safe education in schools with non-discriminatory policies.

As some one who had my ability to seek medical assistance in changing sex put off until 21 as that was the legal age of majority back in the 1960s I know how having to delay transition damaged my access to an education.

It really doesn’t matter much if some 25% of us show various non-specified (by Benjamin) physical indications.  we aren’t special.  We aren’t unicorns forced to live in a world of ordinary horses.  We are just another transsexual and considering how we are more like one in a thousand rather than the much earlier statistics of one in one hundred thousand we are pretty common, something that surely comes as a blow to the egos of narcissists.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is somewhat common among people with transsexualism.  It grows out of being the only one as a child and can be seen in those who run around in our circles with all sorts of reasons as to why they are better than the rest of the trannies whom they often describe in a manner one can only describe as condescending.

So I cheerfully wave bye-bye to all the intersex people with rare and often contradictory bizarre conditions.  This blog isn’t about you this blog is about people with transsexualism and their rights.

21 Responses to “I’m Getting tired of IS Hijacking Transsexualism”

  1. Ishtar Says:

    Hi Suzan

    The way I see it the pattern seems to be someone claims an intersex variation, then uses the argument that childhood surgery is bad and somehow manages to (Wrongly) extend the same argument to transsexual people.

    What they do is totally disregard the concept of consent. As someone who has actually been subjected to childhood surgery (Without consent) I don’t see it the same way most of those saying they have such a history do. This was the problem I had with groups like ISNA, or ISNA specifically. They would talk about particular types of surgery being particularly bad (Thus making it harder for T to F kids in particular to get help these days).

    I am in general opposed to non consented to surgery, often with the emphasis on “non consented” because of this sort of thing having gone on for a while now. I did notice that on many Transsexual lists in the past the ISNA brigade would appear coming out with what was rampant hatred towards transsexual people. Given recent revelations about some of the main offenders (Tree, Chase etc) It does and did look like people with an internalized phobia taking it out on transsexual people.

    All I can say as an intersex activist myself is that I hope I have not contributed to this bad feeling because for me it is all about self determination first and foremost. No one has the right to dictate what surgical options are or are not available to other groups of people.

    Personally I believe that a lot of what you have seen has been a result of some strange pecking order that was peddled mainly by ISNA. Where they placed intersex on top (Which did not reflect legal or medical reality) and at the time had numerous stooges who would pretend to be intersex and attack transsexual people. It later transpired that “Transsexual” was being used and abused as a sort of “Bogeyman status” in a cynical manner by ISNA. What we are all seeing now is probably the aftermath of that.

    On the issue of surgery during the mid 20th century, it was actually quite complex, there was a slight increase in the use of surgery within the then newly formed NHS in the UK. But as you say, despite poor record keeping and some level of back covering on the part of numerous clinicians the information has been relatively easy to retrieve. The problem has tended to be how clinicians since that time have interpreted the information recorded. (Which has often been clear about surgery but vague about precise details). However most victims of non consented to surgery in the UK can provide some documentary evidence to support what they say, and also there is often some diagnosis explaining why the surgery was carried out.

    I really believe a new understanding needs to be arrived at now, because if I am honest I feel very uncomfortable with the way I still seem to find intersex being used as an excuse to attack transsexual people.

    Sophie

    • Suzan Says:

      Sophie I am honestly starting to think you are one of the few real intersex people out there. Most seem to be using fantasy intersex claims as a way of saying they are realer than other transsexuals. this is particularly absurd with some one who has fathered children and claims to be a woman in spite of not transitioning. a realer woman in fact than post-SRS women.

      Your credibility with me is based on your never having played that particular role.

      My taking the positions I am taking should not be considered a reflection upon you.

  2. Susanna Boudrie Says:

    Hi Sophie
    No I am sure that you and other real intersex people are not what Suzy refer to. Instead it more and more seem to me like people living in the phantasy land of Peter Pan, not being intersex, not being transsexual or probably not even transgender. It seems more like transvestic fetishism with a hatred of people that live real lifes…

    Susanna

  3. dianakat Says:

    I apologize in advance for leaving two comments in the same afternoon, but the last two posts (and the comments above) caught my interest.

    This comment regards those people to whom Suzan referred, who constantly claim how “special and different they are…”

    Why on earth would someone secure in her womanhood and living a real life be compelled to troll the internet arguing that she is more of a woman than others?

    I guess that is kind of a rhetorical question.

  4. Andrea B. Says:

    @ dianakat
    You ask why they have to tell everyone they are more of a woman than everyone else.

    Simple answer to that. They are so insecure, they have to dissolve themselves in a delusion.

  5. Ishtar Says:

    Hi Suzy 🙂

    I didn’t think it was a reflection on me in, fact I agree with you 🙂 It has given me food for thought though. I think it was when Denise Tree under the guise of Kiira Treia was using what sounded like some aggregated narrative and I found myself feeling very unsettled by the way she would present this aggregated story and start beating up on transsexual people with it.

    What they did was shout from the rooftops about how they were the “Head herms” and “The proper women”. I can think of a number of people with CAIS who had their sense of being female taken from them upon diagnosis because some stupid doctor said “Genetically you are a man”. Chase and Tree were totally detached from reality on all this.

    This was the issue I had with people like Chase and Tree and a few others since. The message they were giving out was plainly untrue. And it was being used, cynically to deride and mock transsexual people, while at the same time controlling the discussion about intersex people. Few of us felt able to say much in the face of the ISNA onslaught.

    I think what you and Andrea have said needed to be said 🙂

  6. sarahblogging Says:

    > It really doesn’t matter much if some 25% of us show various non-specified (by Benjamin) physical indications.

    Hm.. I heard of 40% which pretty much holds up for the statistics I can do on the people I know (now)… But please renember, when you started your blog you were quite proud of the fact that you were among those.

    Actually I wanted to write a similar headlined article myself in my german blog. It would not have had the exact same contents as yours, but its similar after all.

    You can only make sense of all of that if you question the definitions.
    Is intersex a visible in between state thats OK with me.
    If transsexualtity means you aint what you seem to be from the outside, fine.
    But then you have to admit, that both can appear at the same time.

    I read every single explanation mixing those definitions. I read from prominent intersex activists that surgically defining sex agains chromosomal sex is forced transsexuality or that no “Klinefelter to F” exitsts and so on. Hm Sophia, I think a lot of the same people still think 5Alpha is ultimatly male 😦

  7. tinagrrl Says:

    “Why on earth would someone secure in her womanhood and living a real life be compelled to troll the internet arguing that she is more of a woman than others?”

    Well, just BECAUSE!!!!

    More different, more WOMAN, more SPECIAL, just MORE more.

    Transsexual, also intersex, also brilliant, also — well, just ALSO.

    Until very recently I was not aware of the “latest trends” in the extended “communities of transsexuals”, all the various folks who have their own version of some “Transsexual Bible”, some rule book, some series of guides, steps, paths, to be taken to be “real”.

    In fact back a couple of years ago, I advocated closing down the WBT site — I had virtually left all on-line “T” groups. I was “no mail” on those I still belonged to. Every so often, I’d check in — usually to leave very quickly. There were a couple of posts by “TG leaders” that really upset me – but, at that time, they usually would not let the likes of me post. That has since changed — along with fewer insulting, bigoted statements by our TG folks (or, at least it seems so).

    Now, among some of our TS folks you can’t be an activist — unless YOU are (but no one else — they can’t get it right – like you can).

    You have to stay away from phrases like “improbable claims of intersex” — because then folks who you NEVER HEARD OF, folks who aren’t even on your radar, get insulted and attack you. Folks you never realized were claiming to be intersex attack. If your claims are not improbable — why be upset?

    You can’t stand up for WBT’s — because then the TG, CT, and HBS folks — all get up in arms and accuse you of being one, or more of the “others”.

    If you call for TS/WBT being separate from TG — you’re “bad”.

    If you call for CO-OPERATION (not co-opting, not “surrender”) with TG folks on issues that affect you all — you are “bad”.

    Of course, some of the other initialed transsexual identity groups decry even the POSSIBILITY of two “sisters” (say, like Suzan and Tina) being a couple, being together.

    Since they are straight, they oppose any and all homosexual activity. They also oppose “gay marriage” — because they think (among other things) it might somehow affect their straight marriages.

    They conveniently forget the fact that among many other opponents of homosexuality, “gay marriage”, equal rights, etc. — they, the “straight” post-op transsexuals are considered even WORSE than gays — they are just men “fooling” other men — or, they are two homosexuals trying to “fool” the world.

    Some of the folks who are most active also claim to be “deep stealth” — even though they have websites, pictures all over the web, etc., etc., etc.

    How do you even TALK to folks like that?

    I do not know that much about intersex. I never claimed there was any sort of hierarchy — in fact, I strongly opposed the concept of a hierarchy in the TS, TG, Queer communities — it’s like swapping seats on the Titanic .

    The folks who taught me most about intersex issues are “Ishtar” (Sophie), and Andrea — also Susanna. I think the only comment I’ve ever made about intersex issues is: “”It does little good to set up an additional hierarchy. To set up artificial barriers between us — that’s little different than some of the impossible claims of intersex some have put forth. It doesn’t do any of us any good.”

    That statement has brought about accusations of “intersex bashing”. How does that compute?

    In addition, the bland acceptance of claims folks made led to the ISNA dabacle. Remember the television appearances by Chase, etc., and all the outpouring of concern?

    Don’t you think the fact they were exposed as frauds hurt the case of intersex AND transsexual folks? How will new claims be received? Isn’t a closer look warranted?

    Does that constitute an “attack” — especially when the ISNA folks were actively anti-trans — harming us before they were unmasked.

    So, we have entire groups of people who really have common ground, common needs, at each other. Cointelpro couldn’t do a better job. At the same time, the loudest folks, the ones who have a platform will most likely prevail — while everyone else will blame folks who had nothing to do with it.

    Then we have the rising tide of “anti-gay-queer-trans-different” folks. These days some call for our incarceration, even execution — based on their reading of “Biblical Law” — and we bicker among ourselves, jockey for position, refuse to accept each other, and (it appears) wait for one apocalypse or another.

    A POX ON ALL YOUR HOUSES!

  8. sarahblogging Says:

    Somehow its telling who is not here to comment. It was very amusing for me to see some of the discussions lately.

    The mixing of politics vs. medial Necessarity.

    I placed myself in between to get attacked by all sides. But from that position I actually had to laugh There was the people who said there is one kind of TS and its boundaries were always defiened by their experience. Ever so important: We have a medical condition. Everyone else is just … whatever.

    Then there is this person. I say he because he would dismiss hir as an TG invention anyway. He says, everything TS or gay is enforcing surgical intervention on unconsenting IS children, thus bad. And he labels it “TG”.

    Now the very same people whom he scapegoats applaud him, because he is anti TG, not realizing the least bit the he means them, too.

  9. tinagrrl Says:

    “”It does little good to set up an additional hierarchy. To set up artificial barriers between us — that’s little different than some of the impossible claims of intersex some have put forth. It doesn’t do any of us any good.”

    That is what I said in a comment on another blog.

    This led to cries of “intersex bashing”. An attempt on my part to defend myself led to my being banished from a blog I’d never before made any sort of comment on. I was told that this person had defended us (lumping Suzan and I together — perhaps “Suzina” or “Tinzan”?) for too long, etc., etc., etc.

    Now, I do not enjoy that sort of notoriety — but, I guess you can judge a person by the quality of their enemies.

    After some thought, I decided to retract my comment.

    I’m sorry.

    Since I have no knowledge of intersex conditions or their reality, I accept EVERYTHING that has been by these folks, in total.

    And? What has changed? What difference does it make to those making the claims? How has their life changed?

    O.K. — you are no longer “transsexual” — you are intersexed. Didn’t you still have the same surgery I did? Don’t people still see you, look at you, the same way they did yesterday?

    Has your life improved?

    When you talk to folks on intersex forums (I’m making an assumption here — I’ve never been to one, and do not even know they exist) do they understand you? Do they empathize with you? Do they realize you are no longer “just” a transsexual, but are one of them — an intersexed person?

    Do their experiences growing up help you deal with your everyday issues?

    In other words — what has changed?

    Has your concept of yourself, your self-image, improved?

    Do you still have empathy, feeling, understanding, of the issues we mere transsexuals have? Do you look upon us from above, as a superior (in some way) being?

    What has changed?

    In similar fashion — those who hold themselves to some “higher form of transsexuality”, those who trumpet their “straightness”, who speak in glowing terms of their heterosexuality, who look upon two transsexuals together as “perverts” — how do those beliefs improve your life?

    If a post-op (or pre-op) stays married to what was his (now her) wife — are they also perverts? Does a post-op who is involved with a natal women also fit the “pervert” role?

    Or, does it depend on who is doing the deciding, and what their specific living arrangements are?

    Does it matter if the post-op is a life long conservative republican? Does that make it more difficult to accept those “other” WBT’s/post-ops/etc.?

    Are all these different postures, labels, stances, positions, just a way for the person holding them to FEEL better about THEMSELVES — without having to go through any sort of messy self-criticism, introspection?

    I guess that as long as it helps you cope with your life — it isn’t a bad thing —— UNTIL it begins to impinge on the lives of others. Until it begins to affect other folks who are in the same boat (whether you like being in that boat or not).

    That’s one reason all the AP, AGP, crap is so dangerous. It puts EVERYONE into one group or another. There are no individuals — everyone is “sick”, everyone is driven by the very same issues.

    To speak of individuals, it surprises me that Willow has been such a strong supporter of BBDLZMcH, etc.. Her story is the direct opposite of what is considered “The Standard Narrative” — but, again, if it makes her feel better……….

    My only problem is that those “theories” are used by those who hate ALL of us, by those who would deny us what rights we have already won. Granted, living in Canada means what happens in the USA is meaningless — but, I see that as shortsighted.

    And — how has it made your life better?

  10. Suzan Says:

    I hope you understand that the”transgender Community” is a fiction, that there are different communities rather than one and that they often have different needs and goals. I am hoping to help end the idea of a single community ased on identity and help foster the idea of a coalition of different communities aimed at achieving political goals that are beneficial to all.

  11. M Italiano Says:

    Nicky wrote,
    “That alone send warning bells that this person who claims to be intersex, could be a poser, a fraud or a fake. One of those dead give aways is those who fathered a child and then try to claim intersex. I know for a fact, intersex people can’t father a child.”

    I don’t know where you get your “facts” from. There are plenty of ntersexed individuals who most definitely
    can father a child.

    Fertile individuals who have fathered children can have a uterus.***

    http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/oup/humupd/2005/00000011/00000004/art00351

    ***A fertile individual who has fathered two children can have an ovary with follicles and devloping ova. This individual also has a Fallopian tube and a uterus.***

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4532534?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=49

    ***A fertile individual who fathered a child and also had an ovary with ovarian follicles and evidence that ovulation also occured. It is the first case where cytogenetics and not just a buccal smear was used***

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7200380?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=18

  12. M Italiano Says:

    Dear Suzan, Really now? It seems to me that you and many transwomen are trying to not only make Zoe be a transsexual, but that you are trying to make MANY other intersexed people transsexual as well. Look at your statement back in late October, 2009 where you wrote

    “As far as I see it you are transsexual if you change the
    sex you were assigned at birth, end of story. The action
    taken is is what makes one transsexual not the root cause
    behind it all.
    Hence if you, of your own volition change the sex you were
    assigned at birth then you are transsexual. You are
    transsexual if you change the sex you were assigned at
    birth. It becomes a tautological arguement.”

    Really? Whose Zoomin’ Who? So if someone with XX CAH was assigned as a girl and later changed that assignment
    to that of a boy, they are not intersexed but instead are transsexual and “end of story”? If someone with 5 Alpha was assigned as female and then changed that assignment
    to male, they are not intersexed but are transsexual?
    Remember now-“it is not the root cause behind it all” but the action one takes of their own volition.

    What double talk nonsense

    • Suzan Says:

      If you change your sex of assignment using based on your personal agency you are transsexual.

      It is the existential action of doing.

      Your subtext is intersex makes pure/transsexual makes perverted.

  13. M Italiano Says:

    Nicky wrote-
    “That alone send warning bells that this person who claims to be intersex, could be a poser, a fraud or a fake. One of those dead give aways is those who fathered a child and then try to claim intersex. I know for a fact, intersex people can’t father a child…”

    Where do you get such “facts”?

    Fertile individuals who have a uterus can father a child.

    http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/oup/humupd/2005/00000011/00000004/art00351

    A fertile individual with an ovary with ovarian follicles and evidence of ovulation can also father a child.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7200380?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=18

  14. Ishtar Says:

    Hmm There is something I need to clarify 🙂

    M Italiano

    You seem to say that Suzan is just defining all intersex people who reject their “Sex assignment”, Howerver to back this up you say the following:

    “Really? Whose Zoomin’ Who? So if someone with XX CAH was assigned as a girl and later changed that assignment
    to that of a boy, they are not intersexed but instead are transsexual and “end of story”? If someone with 5 Alpha was assigned as female and then changed that assignment
    to male, they are not intersexed but are transsexual?”

    On a Blog where most of the contributors to this are WBTs who ended up as female because they basically are female. I get the distinct impression that your focusing on “People with condition X turning male.” In an of itself presents the slippery notion that ending up female = “Transsexual” and ending up male = “Intersex”. So what you have said does not really address what has been said.

    Suzan

    I do have a thought about the following:

    “As far as I see it you are transsexual if you change the
    sex you were assigned at birth, end of story. The action
    taken is is what makes one transsexual not the root cause
    behind it all.
    Hence if you, of your own volition change the sex you were
    assigned at birth then you are transsexual. You are
    transsexual if you change the sex you were assigned at
    birth. It becomes a tautological arguement.”

    I think the problem here is that in the case of being assigned a sex as a child by surgical and hormonal means, without consent does not feel like being assigned the intended sex. To say that gives the people who attempted to assign that sex a degree of credibility they simply didn’t have. For example I feel awkward using “Male to female transsexual” because I basically believe that transsexual people are the sex they physically become to begin with. Basically a WBT is a woman. By the same reasoning a woman who was surgically or socially assigned “Male” as a child without consent is a woman, the difference being that the false status of male was imposed by medical science rather than an accident of birth.

    Ultimately a child who was surgically altered is not “more of a woman than another” as some in INSA used to imply, because in both cases they end up female, and are therefore both women. However the distinction would need to be understood when the victim of non consented childhood surgery is taking legal action against the surgeon. If the surgeon can maintain that they had “Made the child the sex they intended” That does mean the surgeon can use that as a defense of their actions.

    It is really about self determination and consent. The way I see this is that if the surgery is consented to and benefits the individual who underwent it. Then that individual is the sex chosen by the individual. If however it was not consented to and was detrimental to the individual, then it failed to make that individual the sex intended by the surgeon.

    I admit is is a bit of a minefield because the situation does emphasize differences. However if it was simply understood that the sex the individual ends up being is the sex they are. (WBT is a woman, MBT is a man, or WBI is a woman, MBI is a man.) I suspect this would eliminate the need to discuss the historical differences as well as avoid the less that helpful notion that ISNA peddled which falsely maintained someone is “More of a woman” than another and also make it less difficult when suing surgeons who carry out surgery without consideration or consent .

    🙂

    • Suzan Says:

      I try to use T to F and T to M as designations for transsexual to female and transsexual to male.

      What has irked me so much are all the trannies who have jumped on the “I not a trannie, I’m really intersex” band wagon.

      Yeah… Right… You and Agnes. Except back in the late 1950s Agnes kind of had to.

      I’ve long said that transsexualism and even transgenderism are probably innate, but innate or not, that should not be a basis for granting or denying human rights to certain classes of people.

  15. Willow Arune Says:

    Suzan said:

    “If you change your sex of assignment using based on your personal agency you are transsexual.
    It is the existential action of doing.”

    I really like this “definition”. Simple, easy to understand, and clears away all of the deadwood and garbage.

    Well stated…

  16. Rachel Tortolini Says:

    Dear sisters and brothers,

    I understand your arguments, all. But please — there is so much more to our lives in the world than semantics. Take a moment and think about what you are all doing, good people. You are obsessing over words that have no signifiers and not focusing on what the words specify. In the meantime, someone is sneaking in the back door and stealing your silver (Blanchard, DSM, et alia).

    Heraclitus wrote that one can not step into the SAME river twice. Transsexuals can’t even seem to step into the same river ONCE. As a physician, along with my colleague Dr. Diamond of University of Hawaii, we helped define standards of care in the UK for intersexed kids a long time ago. I am always wondering why can’t we all come together as a continuum of variation on the human theme? Why bicker over politics?

    Let us get on with our HUMAN lives and stop wasting everyone’s time jockeying for power or for the crown of being “thought leader” as if there has ever been one. I am one of you and a lumper not a splitter because I believe in some kind of wholeness to this predicament nature has laid on us.

    Yes I am transsexual but also human and being human is a hell of a lot more important to me at thirty years post SRS.

    Psychological growth is the symbiosis that follows differentiation in child development according to Mahler and Erikson. The child after running home to mama eventually individuates his own internal mama and transfers (Suzy please excuse the neo-Freudian bullshit) his symbiosis to embrace the society beyond the mother.

    Many of our voices sound like they are fixated in development between differentiation from themselves qua transsexual and symbiosis with our cultures (which despise us). Hence we are blocked (denied?) psychological growth and unable to make the next required step of development towards symbiosis with our cultures.

    I am embarassed to say that this sounds like the child-parent symbiosis that we must break from in order to be individuals standing on our own feet. This is why we sound like children who have lost our parents. We can’t seem to grow past our fixation at the level of toddlers. To borrow a coinage from Suzy, we are all psychologically the “throw away kids.”

    People who are lucky enough to avoid the challenges (gifts?) transsexuals must endure are not so fixated at my time of life (age 61). They are learning to process differentiation from our society in order to take the next (final step?) to symbiosis with the universe. Death is the last stage of growth.

    There is hope for us. We can bypass our fixation on the failure to individuate as toddlers by jumping ahead and “undoing” successfully the next level of integration. It is time to set aside differences and unify with the wider world that lies beyond. Or be forever stuck in a world of children.

    Cheers,
    Rachel Tortolini MD MA
    Ewa Beach Clinic, Ewa Beach, HI

  17. Ishtar Says:

    Hi Suzan 🙂

    “What has irked me so much are all the trannies who have jumped on the “I not a trannie, I’m really intersex” band wagon.”

    You are right about this, the thing is someone who is transsexual claiming an intersex status falsely will probably be unable to provide documented evidence to support what they say and be unable to prove there was childhood surgery if there was any. Which would say more about the person making the false claims and where they are coming from.

    The way I see it, If the legal system just accepted the fact that a WBT is a woman and left it at that and applied the same logic across the board. “People are the sex they end up as”. The burden of having to justify being the sex you are would be lifted. It would also give room for people who do have legal scores to settle with less than ethical doctors
    to avoid the less than ethical doctors borrowing various arguments for their defense.

    It would also eliminate these “I am more of a woman” pecking orders that the ISNA crowd etc were so fond of.

    It is really a case of finding an understanding where inequality will never be built in.

    🙂

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