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		<title>Comment on Christian Warrior Defends Anti-Gay Pastor by Suzan</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2012/05/26/christian-warrior-defends-anti-gay-pastor/#comment-13300</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 21:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think therefore I don&#039;t believe in magic invisible all knowing people in the sky.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Warrior Defends Anti-Gay Pastor by tasidevil</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2012/05/26/christian-warrior-defends-anti-gay-pastor/#comment-13299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tasidevil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 21:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to Christian America. Glad I&#039;m not one]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Christian America. Glad I&#8217;m not one</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Children Know, At Age 2, They Were Born The &#8216;Wrong Sex&#8217;? by BlackSwan</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2012/05/26/can-children-know-at-age-2-they-were-born-the-wrong-sex/#comment-13291</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BlackSwan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 17:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are never going to get it.  Unless we pop out of the womb and go &quot;boy[girl]&quot; they are never going to get this is a birth condition.  We need a test to let docs know what it is we really are... a genetic advancement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are never going to get it.  Unless we pop out of the womb and go &#8220;boy[girl]&#8221; they are never going to get this is a birth condition.  We need a test to let docs know what it is we really are&#8230; a genetic advancement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on First They Scapegoated the Transvestites by dentedbluemercedes</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2012/05/24/first-they-scapegoated-the-transvestites/#comment-13288</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dentedbluemercedes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 16:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I first started my activism, I made it a point to visit as many groups as I could, take myself as far out of the range of my own experiences I could, and try to get a wider understanding of the different communities.  I don&#039;t currently do that (I&#039;m winding down my trans-specific activism), but the impressions have stayed with me.

With crossdressing communities in particular, I was rather struck by how diverse the attendees were.  Some needed to transition, but were afraid, or remained as they were for the sake of their spouse / partner / kids / families / careers; some were recreational CDs who really didn&#039;t get why someone would want to transition; some lived part-time and seemed content; many were questioning and really struggling to figure themselves out; on occasion there was someone who lived full-time except for work but had no interest in surgery or sometimes even HRT... probably my first lesson was the only thing you could generalize about was that generalizations were doomed to fail.

Groups form organically.  If attendees don&#039;t seem to fit a person&#039;s own self-understanding, they move on -- sometimes to other groups and sometimes to build their own circles, whether formalized or a loose connection of friends.  To generalize based on any one group a person has met can even be impossible, because those experiences are limited by ones own travel, and by the organic evolution of the group met (i.e. who stays / who leaves).

A few things were always consistent, though: human needs, complex journeys, uphill climbs, and fascinating stories to hear, provided you&#039;re not only interested in similar stories to yours, and are fine with stepping out of the comfort zone of your own experiences. (I mean that &quot;you&quot; as a general statement, not you personally).  

This is why I&#039;ll always oppose ejection and vilification, and am happy to back you up on your statement here.

And you wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I think it would be easier for those activists promoting non-discrimination measures to actually get those bills passed if transgender was limited to its original definition and described people who lived full time without pursuing SRS.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Probably, but easy isn&#039;t always right, and taking the easy way now simply means that a smaller group will have a tougher go of things later.  Many of us already know what that&#039;s like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first started my activism, I made it a point to visit as many groups as I could, take myself as far out of the range of my own experiences I could, and try to get a wider understanding of the different communities.  I don&#8217;t currently do that (I&#8217;m winding down my trans-specific activism), but the impressions have stayed with me.</p>
<p>With crossdressing communities in particular, I was rather struck by how diverse the attendees were.  Some needed to transition, but were afraid, or remained as they were for the sake of their spouse / partner / kids / families / careers; some were recreational CDs who really didn&#8217;t get why someone would want to transition; some lived part-time and seemed content; many were questioning and really struggling to figure themselves out; on occasion there was someone who lived full-time except for work but had no interest in surgery or sometimes even HRT&#8230; probably my first lesson was the only thing you could generalize about was that generalizations were doomed to fail.</p>
<p>Groups form organically.  If attendees don&#8217;t seem to fit a person&#8217;s own self-understanding, they move on &#8212; sometimes to other groups and sometimes to build their own circles, whether formalized or a loose connection of friends.  To generalize based on any one group a person has met can even be impossible, because those experiences are limited by ones own travel, and by the organic evolution of the group met (i.e. who stays / who leaves).</p>
<p>A few things were always consistent, though: human needs, complex journeys, uphill climbs, and fascinating stories to hear, provided you&#8217;re not only interested in similar stories to yours, and are fine with stepping out of the comfort zone of your own experiences. (I mean that &#8220;you&#8221; as a general statement, not you personally).  </p>
<p>This is why I&#8217;ll always oppose ejection and vilification, and am happy to back you up on your statement here.</p>
<p>And you wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I think it would be easier for those activists promoting non-discrimination measures to actually get those bills passed if transgender was limited to its original definition and described people who lived full time without pursuing SRS.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Probably, but easy isn&#8217;t always right, and taking the easy way now simply means that a smaller group will have a tougher go of things later.  Many of us already know what that&#8217;s like.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Children Know, At Age 2, They Were Born The &#8216;Wrong Sex&#8217;? by edithpilkington</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2012/05/26/can-children-know-at-age-2-they-were-born-the-wrong-sex/#comment-13286</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[edithpilkington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 15:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Long story, very long story short.  Sexing the body is a very important book if one understands that the raw data and history of sex research is essential to understanding the nature of sex and difference but that Fausto-Sterling&#039;s passion for the material she presents is motivated by her struggle as a woman in the male dominated world of science and the fact that she was a woman who, late n life, came out as a lesbian who had previously been in a heterosexual marriage with children.  

Also essential to understanding Fausto-Sterling&#039;s work is what she writes about the differences between Frank Beach an C. W. Young.  Fausto-Sterling embraces the &quot;concept&quot; of gender identity disorder.  She also freely quotes people like J. Michael Bailey.  I find systems theory and the work of Ansermet and Adrienne Harris but a lot of what she gives away in her lectures is reminiscent of John Money and indicates a tabula rasa, social constructivist view of human development that seems blind to physical reality unless she&#039;s making comparisons between herself and someone like Dierdre McClosky, which I have witnessed her do, publicly.  Viewed objectively, her work is essential but the irony is that she is the same as the male scientists she rails against.  She&#039;s searching for data to justify her own biases.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long story, very long story short.  Sexing the body is a very important book if one understands that the raw data and history of sex research is essential to understanding the nature of sex and difference but that Fausto-Sterling&#8217;s passion for the material she presents is motivated by her struggle as a woman in the male dominated world of science and the fact that she was a woman who, late n life, came out as a lesbian who had previously been in a heterosexual marriage with children.  </p>
<p>Also essential to understanding Fausto-Sterling&#8217;s work is what she writes about the differences between Frank Beach an C. W. Young.  Fausto-Sterling embraces the &#8220;concept&#8221; of gender identity disorder.  She also freely quotes people like J. Michael Bailey.  I find systems theory and the work of Ansermet and Adrienne Harris but a lot of what she gives away in her lectures is reminiscent of John Money and indicates a tabula rasa, social constructivist view of human development that seems blind to physical reality unless she&#8217;s making comparisons between herself and someone like Dierdre McClosky, which I have witnessed her do, publicly.  Viewed objectively, her work is essential but the irony is that she is the same as the male scientists she rails against.  She&#8217;s searching for data to justify her own biases.</p>
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		<title>Comment on First They Scapegoated the Transvestites by Suzan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 03:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Drag queens are gay CDs as far as I am concerned.  If they live 24/7 then they are transgender.  I honestly don&#039;t buy the Virginia Prince party line or the idea that Het CDs have some sort of pure motivation and gay CDs have some sort of evil one.  Gender play is gender play to me and I don&#039;t really much care.

I don&#039;t put some sort of great moral judgment on it nor do I find some great need to understand it.

I don&#039;t have to in order to defend your right to do this.  Look at it this way I  made a practice out of reading the ingredients so I could tell people if there were any pork or for that matter meat by products in the stuff I was passing out because they have religious practices.  I&#039;m an atheist but, why should I disrespect something minor like that when it takes so little effort to treat people like I hope they would treat me.

It&#039;s not about having to be the same as another person or understand them.  There&#039;s seven billion people on the planet and they are a diverse mass of people.

Extending the same human rights and respect to others is as Kropotkin would put it a matter of survival.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drag queens are gay CDs as far as I am concerned.  If they live 24/7 then they are transgender.  I honestly don&#8217;t buy the Virginia Prince party line or the idea that Het CDs have some sort of pure motivation and gay CDs have some sort of evil one.  Gender play is gender play to me and I don&#8217;t really much care.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t put some sort of great moral judgment on it nor do I find some great need to understand it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to in order to defend your right to do this.  Look at it this way I  made a practice out of reading the ingredients so I could tell people if there were any pork or for that matter meat by products in the stuff I was passing out because they have religious practices.  I&#8217;m an atheist but, why should I disrespect something minor like that when it takes so little effort to treat people like I hope they would treat me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about having to be the same as another person or understand them.  There&#8217;s seven billion people on the planet and they are a diverse mass of people.</p>
<p>Extending the same human rights and respect to others is as Kropotkin would put it a matter of survival.</p>
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		<title>Comment on First They Scapegoated the Transvestites by tasideviltasi Zuriack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tasideviltasi Zuriack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 01:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suzan. You are certainly to be commended for leading your crew as you did. Rarely is there ever a problem for crossdressers in the big box stores. I do know of incidents in Macys and Target. The Macys clerk was fired as she used religious bigotry as her excuse. I wasn&#039;t suggesting that the customers be scrutinied, My point being that CDs are everywhere, just not in support meetings, at conferences, or in gay bars. Actually Dallas has two very active groups of crossdressers with a very active outreach program.

Just a point of clarification, draq queens are not crossdressers. You might want to check definitions under transgender in Wikipedia. I do wish crossdressers were more politically active, but except for a small group of us, it usually doesn&#039;t bode well for our family life and our jobs. But then that holds true for transsexuals in many ways too.......Tasi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzan. You are certainly to be commended for leading your crew as you did. Rarely is there ever a problem for crossdressers in the big box stores. I do know of incidents in Macys and Target. The Macys clerk was fired as she used religious bigotry as her excuse. I wasn&#8217;t suggesting that the customers be scrutinied, My point being that CDs are everywhere, just not in support meetings, at conferences, or in gay bars. Actually Dallas has two very active groups of crossdressers with a very active outreach program.</p>
<p>Just a point of clarification, draq queens are not crossdressers. You might want to check definitions under transgender in Wikipedia. I do wish crossdressers were more politically active, but except for a small group of us, it usually doesn&#8217;t bode well for our family life and our jobs. But then that holds true for transsexuals in many ways too&#8230;&#8230;.Tasi</p>
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		<title>Comment on First They Scapegoated the Transvestites by Suzan</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2012/05/24/first-they-scapegoated-the-transvestites/#comment-13238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 00:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I worked in a big box store recently we occasionally had cross dressers come through.  I was a lead of a crew of between 12 and 20 people on any day. I told my crew that they were there to demonstrate and sell products to the public, that meant treating all the people they encountered with cheerful politeness.  That racism or bigotry was not part of the job and especially not in front of any customers.

But I also don&#039;t run around scrutinizing everyone trying to read them, if I was doing a demo myself I always tried to be extra nice to members of groups some of my co-workers were prejudiced towards.

Most cross dressers I have know over the years have been drag queens rather than straight people, as I have mostly live in places like SF,Berkeley and Hollywood which tend to be very gay friendly.  Now I live in suburban Dallas rather than in an area like Oak Lawn.

Nonetheless most of my encounters with heterosexual CDs have been in the context of conferences or meetings.  Or drag bars.

My activism extends far beyond the LGBT/T world and includes the anti-war movement, the environmental movement and the anti-globalizartion movement.  I&#039;m Anti-fascism and anti-racism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I worked in a big box store recently we occasionally had cross dressers come through.  I was a lead of a crew of between 12 and 20 people on any day. I told my crew that they were there to demonstrate and sell products to the public, that meant treating all the people they encountered with cheerful politeness.  That racism or bigotry was not part of the job and especially not in front of any customers.</p>
<p>But I also don&#8217;t run around scrutinizing everyone trying to read them, if I was doing a demo myself I always tried to be extra nice to members of groups some of my co-workers were prejudiced towards.</p>
<p>Most cross dressers I have know over the years have been drag queens rather than straight people, as I have mostly live in places like SF,Berkeley and Hollywood which tend to be very gay friendly.  Now I live in suburban Dallas rather than in an area like Oak Lawn.</p>
<p>Nonetheless most of my encounters with heterosexual CDs have been in the context of conferences or meetings.  Or drag bars.</p>
<p>My activism extends far beyond the LGBT/T world and includes the anti-war movement, the environmental movement and the anti-globalizartion movement.  I&#8217;m Anti-fascism and anti-racism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on First They Scapegoated the Transvestites by tasidevil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tasidevil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 23:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well being a member of that much malaligned group of fetishistic hetero transvestites aka crossdressers, let&#039;s just bend the record a little more towards the middle. Either you don&#039;t recognize a crossdresser as we shop in the malls, go to the movies, eat in the restaurants (not in groups), shop in the grocery store, speak to university groups, go to the symphony or the many other activities that women do in everyday life, or your exposure in 40 plus years has not been very broad. Yes, there are those out there that embarrass us too, but among my wide group of friends, most want only to express their femininity in an acceptable manner among other women, even if it is only part-time.

I was glad to see your recognition that we should all pull together against much more evil forces of the radical right. Just today a friend passed along a YouTube video of a Baptist pastor preaching hate in his church and literally saying lets put all the gays in a concentration camp. Guess who is next? Not me because you are more visible. We both know that CDs and TSs can be a world apart but we need to tone down the rhetoric and work together against those forces that lump us all together anyway. Bullies are bullies, no matter what their shade. Set them off in the corner and let the rest of work together to make the world recognize who the bullies are and what needs to be done with them........Tasi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well being a member of that much malaligned group of fetishistic hetero transvestites aka crossdressers, let&#8217;s just bend the record a little more towards the middle. Either you don&#8217;t recognize a crossdresser as we shop in the malls, go to the movies, eat in the restaurants (not in groups), shop in the grocery store, speak to university groups, go to the symphony or the many other activities that women do in everyday life, or your exposure in 40 plus years has not been very broad. Yes, there are those out there that embarrass us too, but among my wide group of friends, most want only to express their femininity in an acceptable manner among other women, even if it is only part-time.</p>
<p>I was glad to see your recognition that we should all pull together against much more evil forces of the radical right. Just today a friend passed along a YouTube video of a Baptist pastor preaching hate in his church and literally saying lets put all the gays in a concentration camp. Guess who is next? Not me because you are more visible. We both know that CDs and TSs can be a world apart but we need to tone down the rhetoric and work together against those forces that lump us all together anyway. Bullies are bullies, no matter what their shade. Set them off in the corner and let the rest of work together to make the world recognize who the bullies are and what needs to be done with them&#8230;&#8230;..Tasi</p>
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		<title>Comment on RadFem2012: Excluding on the basis of gender by Suzan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 02:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would I feed trolls?  Go back to Gendertrender where you will be among your own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would I feed trolls?  Go back to Gendertrender where you will be among your own.</p>
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