Yesterday I ran a post: “Mainstream” and “Traditional”: Meaningless Code words Used to Attack TS/TG People along with Women and Gay/Lesbian People
It was predictable that some HBS Troll hiding behind an alias and gmail or yahoo account would pop up to whine about how she really isn’t a bigot but how I have to agree with her.
Funny isn’t it how the 99% of sisters who aren’t part of the HBS Klan have real names and are on Facebook.
HBS’er (actual alias):
At 25 I was close to 6ft tall, nearly bald, covered in thick body hair, 280lbs and built like a brick out-house, my family rejected and disowned me, I had only qualifications as a car mechanic. I nearly chose to kill myself (it would have been easier). Before I turned thirty, I was post SRS.
I spent nearly $100,000 on surgeries and doctors and treatments (in three years) before even considering keeping a roof over my head or food in my belly.
How did I do that?
I got a job driving a truck that delivered lubricating grease to coal mines for their bulldozers and excavators. I worked 12 hour days 6 and 7 days a week and came home covered in black grease and coal dust from head to toe with skin off my hands and arms, I shut my mouth and put up with the treatment I was afforded (which most of the time in spite of what the “community” would have you believe was respect ), and the men out there are the exact kind of “bigots” and transphobes” that “victims” in the TG community spruke (sic) about constantly.
Because it paid me $30 an hour and I NEEDED SRS to live, to be loved and connect with a partner the RIGHT way for me. I NEEDED to be PHYSICALLY female.
Gee isn’t that special… I was built like a girl and androgynous to the point of people being uncertain as to my sex prior to my coming out at 21. I too worked some pretty physically hard jobs including one at a paper mill where the homophobes/transphobes tried to murder me on a couple of occasions.
The possibility of getting SRS was pretty sketchy when I first came out to my parents when I was 15 but between 1962 and 1969 the world changed.
The reality is I would have been a queen if SRS were not available. I had friends for whom the struggle was too much, who settled into life as queens/transgender women because they lacked the wherewithal to pull it together for the final push. If I didn’t get my surgery when I did I could have wound up feeling the same way.
Like most of the HBS Klan, HBSer struggles with the coherence thingie. It is hard to tell who she is trying to impress:
I’m one of those “pure” ones you so hate Suzan, never used my penis, never fathered children, never married a woman, want desperately to be a mother, to be “normal”, genetic even, but I’m NOT under ANY illusions as to that ever happening the way I need it to or as to who or what I am, NOR do I think I’m “better” or more valid or deserving as a human being than anyone else. All that I hope for for ANYONE is happiness, safety and equality.
In other words , “Don’t hate me because I am beautiful.” No wait that was pure, because having seen the pictures of a number of HBS folks beauty isn’t something most can claim.”
Let’s unpack the purity claim. First thought: I’m supposed to be impressed that you didn’t even try using your former parts to have sex, presumably with either men or women. I’m not really impressed. That was never really a hurdle in the screening process. That was one of those purity queen generated gates. A lot of the doctors in the early days thought it was a really good idea for people to explore their sexuality a bit prior to taking such major step.
Some people complain they felt pressured to try having sex with men. But there was a reason for doctors to do this. The doctors were dealing with transphobes who claimed transsexual women were just gay men in denial. So people were encouraged to try having sex with men to see if that was really what they were.
As for the wanting children. Some people with a firm grasp on reality choose to defer transition in order to do just that, have children and be a parent.
Having been guided by the wisdom of doctors who posted the Serenity Prayer in the clinic I always accepted the reality. But the deeper reality is that I had a really sucky childhood and would have been a highly irresponsible parent. I chose a different path.
What it seems you fail to recognise is that the “equal” rights sought by non-op TG’s are NOT being afforded on equal/equivalent life circumstance and as such, those with the (circumstantial) disadvantage are being FORCED to lose THEIR “rights”, THEY! are being made to suffer (further) for the “convenience” of these others.
Does it occur to you that “HBS’ers” (such as myself) are NOT the ones attempting to separate and berate “trans” people through the use of “mainstream”? does it occur to you that that is simply the only option left to refer to those that DON’T belong to the self-proclaimed/inflicted LGBT “community” how else do we refer to anyone outside of that?
Right wing asshat comes to mind. Especially when you pour forth your homophobic bigotry and assorted right wing bullshit.
Rights are based on being born human. That is why they are called rights and why the Constitution refers to them as inalienable. Right wingers always want to make equality and basic rights into special privileges like denying gay and lesbian people the right to marry or people of color the right to vote.
The idea that others having the same rights as you have some how takes away from you is a mountainous pile of bullshit that treats rights, basic human rights as the exclusive property of the rich.
Most of those YOU would call “HBS’ers” do NOT think we are better or more deserving than anyone else, we do NOT wish poor treatment or oppression on ANYONE but we also believe we are NOT the same as everyone and need to be treated appropriately.
Am I the SAME as a forty year old “trans” person who fathered multiple children and now can’t “afford” SRS?
How about a 25 year old college student who happily uses their penis with women and can “deal” with having it without needing to shoot themselves?
If THEY are TS (IE the same as me to the “uninitiated”) what does that make ME in the eyes of those people in the world who aren’t “trans” and have no understanding of transsexuals (the “uninitiated”? what does that make ME to the men who might find out I how I was unfortunate enough to have been born?
If people don’t want “REAL” TS’s telling them they’re different to “us” then maybe they should quit shitting on OUR path by telling everyone we’re “the same” and using “us” and “OUR” story for their own gain, because (clearly) we’re NOT the same.
First of all you are a troll hiding behind an alias.
I have to weight that against the hundreds, perhaps even thousands of other transsexual and transgender people I’ve met over the years.People from every walk of life. People who came out at a wide variety of points in life.
A dozen years ago I used to question how some one who came out in middle age or later could feel the same way I did.
I too was much more rigid in my thinking.
But the more I though about it the more I came to see that had a few details , crucial turning points in my life gone the other way I could have wound up transitioning in my 40s just as easily as I did in my early 20s.
There is an emotion, a soft squishy sentiment often attributed to women and liberals, called empathy. The ability to put oneself in the shoes of others. Secular humanists and many religious people consider empathy to be a treasure of great virtue.
One thing I have noticed is a common trait among HBSers, for that matter most right wing conservatives, is a total lack of empathy.
Instead I see nothing but jealousy, greed and tight lipped anger. HBS assholes are cowardly bigots and bullies trolling blogs and spewing hatred to make up for something that is obviously missing in their lives.