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		<title>By: Nicky</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2010/02/04/bizarre-intersex-claims/#comment-2744</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrea,
I like the post and it is very well written. I wouldn&#039;t care less of what Zoe thinks because already her reputation is far more damaged within the intersex community than I am and Zoe is far worser than me. Zoe isn&#039;t even respected within the Intersex community and Heck, even another Intersex person who is a Friend of mine, by the Name of Kailana S Alaniz has seriously questioned and called Zoe an intersex fraud. 

cornince,
Zoe has done so much damage for any intersex person who dares to question her and as a result I am fighting back because I started to wise up and after hearing what Andrea had to say about Zoe, I too started to question Zoe&#039;s intersex status. I&#039;ve been going after Zoe, because Zoe has damaged the intersex community with so many claims that Andrea has said about Zoe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea,<br />
I like the post and it is very well written. I wouldn&#8217;t care less of what Zoe thinks because already her reputation is far more damaged within the intersex community than I am and Zoe is far worser than me. Zoe isn&#8217;t even respected within the Intersex community and Heck, even another Intersex person who is a Friend of mine, by the Name of Kailana S Alaniz has seriously questioned and called Zoe an intersex fraud. </p>
<p>cornince,<br />
Zoe has done so much damage for any intersex person who dares to question her and as a result I am fighting back because I started to wise up and after hearing what Andrea had to say about Zoe, I too started to question Zoe&#8217;s intersex status. I&#8217;ve been going after Zoe, because Zoe has damaged the intersex community with so many claims that Andrea has said about Zoe.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzan</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2010/02/04/bizarre-intersex-claims/#comment-2742</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zoe&#039;s M. Italiano has a &quot;Doctorate&quot; sic in alternative medicine.  This is kind of like my claiming a Doctorate.  Alternative medicine is a fraud and quackery.

As Editor of this Blog and as a person who has delved into the subject matter I tend to find all the John Gault (Ayn rand&#039;s model of rugged individualism) claims of strangely bizarre intersex claims pretty ridiculous.  Particularly when they come from people who have fathered children. 

When this over all series of articles started its targets were Kirea Tirea and Cheryl Chase as well as their numerous sock puppets, Zoe was snared by accident.

But Zoe&#039;s claims are so fantastical as for me to have had serious doubts right from the get go.  Having been around the scene for some 40 years heightens ones bullshit detector.  Particularly when Zoe starts pulling her evidence out of her ass and it turns into not just one of the more common signs of a possible intersex condition most usually found in those who come out young of partial androgen insensitivity.

Zoe is a middle aged transsexual with a guilt complex which is manifesting itself all over the web with this &quot;Look at my intersex condition.&quot;  Ten years ago she might have been believed.

I may edit some of Andrea&#039;s writing here, mainly for clarity and then to libel proof it but I stand by what she writes particularly when it comes to science.

Way back in the 1950s someone known in the literature as &quot;Agnes&quot; perpetuated a fraudulent claim of intersex that helped set back the cause of transsexual access to SRS and cause us all to be considered as potential frauds and liars.  Since then Chase, Tirea and now Zoe have perpetuated this fraud.

At this point the deceit has perpetuated some hugely questionable claims.

As for Nicky,  I am well aware of some of his positions and he is moderated as are others with &quot;reputations&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoe&#8217;s M. Italiano has a &#8220;Doctorate&#8221; sic in alternative medicine.  This is kind of like my claiming a Doctorate.  Alternative medicine is a fraud and quackery.</p>
<p>As Editor of this Blog and as a person who has delved into the subject matter I tend to find all the John Gault (Ayn rand&#8217;s model of rugged individualism) claims of strangely bizarre intersex claims pretty ridiculous.  Particularly when they come from people who have fathered children. </p>
<p>When this over all series of articles started its targets were Kirea Tirea and Cheryl Chase as well as their numerous sock puppets, Zoe was snared by accident.</p>
<p>But Zoe&#8217;s claims are so fantastical as for me to have had serious doubts right from the get go.  Having been around the scene for some 40 years heightens ones bullshit detector.  Particularly when Zoe starts pulling her evidence out of her ass and it turns into not just one of the more common signs of a possible intersex condition most usually found in those who come out young of partial androgen insensitivity.</p>
<p>Zoe is a middle aged transsexual with a guilt complex which is manifesting itself all over the web with this &#8220;Look at my intersex condition.&#8221;  Ten years ago she might have been believed.</p>
<p>I may edit some of Andrea&#8217;s writing here, mainly for clarity and then to libel proof it but I stand by what she writes particularly when it comes to science.</p>
<p>Way back in the 1950s someone known in the literature as &#8220;Agnes&#8221; perpetuated a fraudulent claim of intersex that helped set back the cause of transsexual access to SRS and cause us all to be considered as potential frauds and liars.  Since then Chase, Tirea and now Zoe have perpetuated this fraud.</p>
<p>At this point the deceit has perpetuated some hugely questionable claims.</p>
<p>As for Nicky,  I am well aware of some of his positions and he is moderated as are others with &#8220;reputations&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: cornince</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2010/02/04/bizarre-intersex-claims/#comment-2741</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nicky,

Haven&#039;t you been harassing Zoe Brain with numerous sock puppets and talking about how trans women are really men all this time?  What are you doing on this blog acting like you are all in agreement with its author?  Either way, you&#039;re a very slippery person.

Andrea,

Please reconsider this blog post.  Zoe Brain has republished a letter from M. Italiano here, disproving many of the claims in the blog post with articles from PubMed and other sources.  Please give it a look over.

http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2010/02/letter-from-mitaliano.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicky,</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t you been harassing Zoe Brain with numerous sock puppets and talking about how trans women are really men all this time?  What are you doing on this blog acting like you are all in agreement with its author?  Either way, you&#8217;re a very slippery person.</p>
<p>Andrea,</p>
<p>Please reconsider this blog post.  Zoe Brain has republished a letter from M. Italiano here, disproving many of the claims in the blog post with articles from PubMed and other sources.  Please give it a look over.</p>
<p><a href="http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2010/02/letter-from-mitaliano.html" rel="nofollow">http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2010/02/letter-from-mitaliano.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nicky</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2010/02/04/bizarre-intersex-claims/#comment-2736</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Andrea,
As an Intersex person, I have to totally agree with you on that one. You hit it on the NAIL with this one. Their are way too many transsexuals out their trying to claim intersex and trying to claim intersex as a legitimate excuse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrea,<br />
As an Intersex person, I have to totally agree with you on that one. You hit it on the NAIL with this one. Their are way too many transsexuals out their trying to claim intersex and trying to claim intersex as a legitimate excuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2010/02/04/bizarre-intersex-claims/#comment-2663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Tina,

Very well said.

I think you have hit the nail on the head.

Andrea]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tina,</p>
<p>Very well said.</p>
<p>I think you have hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>Andrea</p>
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		<title>By: tinagrrl</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2010/02/04/bizarre-intersex-claims/#comment-2662</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tinagrrl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spontaneous sex change also occurs in some fish..  Black Sea Bass can go from female to male to female  --  does that mean some of our &quot;intersexed, spontaneous sex change, it just happened&quot; folks will revert to male at some future time?

In the words of Judy Tenuta  --  &quot;It could happen!&quot;

If you are transsexual and have SRS  --  well, by golly, you&#039;re just a plain old, regular, woman.  

Is that the problem?  Becoming just a plain old, regular person?  Have all those years of being different/&quot;special&quot; left some folks NEEDING that sort of notoriety?

Is just being a post-op, a woman, no longer enough?  Do some folks need to remain special  --  even if only in their small circle?

Many of us have tried various &quot;cures&quot; of our transsexuality prior to accepting our truth and having SRS  --  education, performing, drugs, alcohol, achievement, wealth, etc., etc., etc.  Some have tried to find the &quot;right&quot; partner to &quot;live through&quot;.  

None of those things worked  --  after all is said and done  --  we move forward and have SRS.

Is the possibility of a quiet, &quot;normal&quot; life so frightening we have to invent stuff  --  strange forms of intersex, new &quot;special&quot; ways of being post-transsexual/transsexual, etc.

Is the need to be separate (again) from the rest of humanity really that intense?

For some folks being transsexual seems to be the only way they were &quot;special&quot;.  When pre-op, most of us were in a state of being VERY &quot;special&quot;  --  does that become addictive?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spontaneous sex change also occurs in some fish..  Black Sea Bass can go from female to male to female  &#8212;  does that mean some of our &#8220;intersexed, spontaneous sex change, it just happened&#8221; folks will revert to male at some future time?</p>
<p>In the words of Judy Tenuta  &#8212;  &#8220;It could happen!&#8221;</p>
<p>If you are transsexual and have SRS  &#8212;  well, by golly, you&#8217;re just a plain old, regular, woman.  </p>
<p>Is that the problem?  Becoming just a plain old, regular person?  Have all those years of being different/&#8221;special&#8221; left some folks NEEDING that sort of notoriety?</p>
<p>Is just being a post-op, a woman, no longer enough?  Do some folks need to remain special  &#8212;  even if only in their small circle?</p>
<p>Many of us have tried various &#8220;cures&#8221; of our transsexuality prior to accepting our truth and having SRS  &#8212;  education, performing, drugs, alcohol, achievement, wealth, etc., etc., etc.  Some have tried to find the &#8220;right&#8221; partner to &#8220;live through&#8221;.  </p>
<p>None of those things worked  &#8212;  after all is said and done  &#8212;  we move forward and have SRS.</p>
<p>Is the possibility of a quiet, &#8220;normal&#8221; life so frightening we have to invent stuff  &#8212;  strange forms of intersex, new &#8220;special&#8221; ways of being post-transsexual/transsexual, etc.</p>
<p>Is the need to be separate (again) from the rest of humanity really that intense?</p>
<p>For some folks being transsexual seems to be the only way they were &#8220;special&#8221;.  When pre-op, most of us were in a state of being VERY &#8220;special&#8221;  &#8212;  does that become addictive?</p>
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		<title>By: Pollik</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2010/02/04/bizarre-intersex-claims/#comment-2661</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pollik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If you consider transsexual people to be another species, thats your problem not mine&quot;

Wow, where did that come from?  Not from me, that is for sure.

&quot;You are the one making inaccurate statements.&quot;

Can you be more specific?  Or shall we end it here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you consider transsexual people to be another species, thats your problem not mine&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, where did that come from?  Not from me, that is for sure.</p>
<p>&#8220;You are the one making inaccurate statements.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you be more specific?  Or shall we end it here?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2010/02/04/bizarre-intersex-claims/#comment-2659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pollick,

It is obvious to anyone who reads it that the article about a small minority of people amongst transsexual people.

The article is about human beings. That is a simple fact.

You are trying to distort what the article is about for some reason. That won&#039;t work with me.

The article is quite clear what species it talks about.

If you consider transsexual people to be another species, thats your problem not mine. 

I know I am a homo sapien.

You are the one making inaccurate statements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pollick,</p>
<p>It is obvious to anyone who reads it that the article about a small minority of people amongst transsexual people.</p>
<p>The article is about human beings. That is a simple fact.</p>
<p>You are trying to distort what the article is about for some reason. That won&#8217;t work with me.</p>
<p>The article is quite clear what species it talks about.</p>
<p>If you consider transsexual people to be another species, thats your problem not mine. </p>
<p>I know I am a homo sapien.</p>
<p>You are the one making inaccurate statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Pollik</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2010/02/04/bizarre-intersex-claims/#comment-2657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pollik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You: &quot;The article is 100% about human beings&quot;

Me: &quot;I somewhat dislike statements made in absolute terms.&quot;

I don&#039;t think I am the one making absolute - and inaccurate -  statements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You: &#8220;The article is 100% about human beings&#8221;</p>
<p>Me: &#8220;I somewhat dislike statements made in absolute terms.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I am the one making absolute &#8211; and inaccurate &#8211;  statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2010/02/04/bizarre-intersex-claims/#comment-2655</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How narrowly selective of you?

I wrote that spontaneous sex change can occur in some species and gave an example. I wrote that what happens in amphibians does not apply to humans regarding spontaneous sex change.

In context see:

&quot;Spontaneous sex change can occur in frogs and some other amphibians.

The only way this could occur in a human being is if David Icke the conspiracy theorist is right in his claims that all our world leaders are really amphibians or reptiles masquerading as human. I think we can all guess the truth on that one.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How narrowly selective of you?</p>
<p>I wrote that spontaneous sex change can occur in some species and gave an example. I wrote that what happens in amphibians does not apply to humans regarding spontaneous sex change.</p>
<p>In context see:</p>
<p>&#8220;Spontaneous sex change can occur in frogs and some other amphibians.</p>
<p>The only way this could occur in a human being is if David Icke the conspiracy theorist is right in his claims that all our world leaders are really amphibians or reptiles masquerading as human. I think we can all guess the truth on that one.&#8221;</p>
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