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	<title>Comments on: Jasper Gregory</title>
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		<title>By: riki</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2009/09/14/jasper-gregory/#comment-1719</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FYI,
just posted on Jasper&#039;s bl;og
Jasper,
You leave out  the most important of Suzan&#039;s comments:
&quot;He tells actual WBTs and transgender folks they should live like him and be out without actually doing with our lives that which defines one as transsexual or transgender. &quot;
This is surely the biggest problem for most of your critics - that you are telling other trans people how to live their lives and that the desire for GRS is some sort of false consciousness.
You don&#039;t need to do this in order to enlarge the culturally intelligible space for gender variant somatic males like yourself (or myself for that matter).
Whatever labels you want to use, people who have a strongly felt need to alter their bodies to suit their gender identity have a quite different life experience to those who don&#039;t. And again, people who feel the need to transition socially but not physically are different to people who don&#039;t feel any need to transition.
Rather than focusing your fire on people who identify as transsexual and don&#039;t want to be subsumed under the transgender umbrella, how about commenting on the attacks from actual right wingers - the loonies who oppose health care reform because it is socialism and might conceivably cover GRS; the attacks on Caster Semenya&#039;s right to compete against other women come to moind as immediately topical. 
Effective politics is about recognising differences and making alliances, not attacking those who could be allies.
You have a very aggressive style of writing - constantly attacking other people&#039;s views. So your recent plea for the authenticity of your womanhood seems a little odd in the context of your overall gender abolitionist approach. It appears to be a purely rhetorical device to attack people.
Also - your comments seem generally ill informed and lacking in much evidence of research.
In terms of passing, please read Sandy Stone&#039;s Post Transsexual Manifesto - the original point for much Transgender theorising, but which is actually saying to transsexual people that they should voluntarily drop the privilege of passsing in order to &#039;read themselves into the culture&#039;. It also has the important reminder about &#039;totalizing&quot; accounts of trans, when she &quot;speaks the forgotten word ... The word is some.&quot; All accounts of gender variant expereince are partial - no-one can speak for all the others, much less lay down how they should live their lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI,<br />
just posted on Jasper&#8217;s bl;og<br />
Jasper,<br />
You leave out  the most important of Suzan&#8217;s comments:<br />
&#8220;He tells actual WBTs and transgender folks they should live like him and be out without actually doing with our lives that which defines one as transsexual or transgender. &#8221;<br />
This is surely the biggest problem for most of your critics &#8211; that you are telling other trans people how to live their lives and that the desire for GRS is some sort of false consciousness.<br />
You don&#8217;t need to do this in order to enlarge the culturally intelligible space for gender variant somatic males like yourself (or myself for that matter).<br />
Whatever labels you want to use, people who have a strongly felt need to alter their bodies to suit their gender identity have a quite different life experience to those who don&#8217;t. And again, people who feel the need to transition socially but not physically are different to people who don&#8217;t feel any need to transition.<br />
Rather than focusing your fire on people who identify as transsexual and don&#8217;t want to be subsumed under the transgender umbrella, how about commenting on the attacks from actual right wingers &#8211; the loonies who oppose health care reform because it is socialism and might conceivably cover GRS; the attacks on Caster Semenya&#8217;s right to compete against other women come to moind as immediately topical.<br />
Effective politics is about recognising differences and making alliances, not attacking those who could be allies.<br />
You have a very aggressive style of writing &#8211; constantly attacking other people&#8217;s views. So your recent plea for the authenticity of your womanhood seems a little odd in the context of your overall gender abolitionist approach. It appears to be a purely rhetorical device to attack people.<br />
Also &#8211; your comments seem generally ill informed and lacking in much evidence of research.<br />
In terms of passing, please read Sandy Stone&#8217;s Post Transsexual Manifesto &#8211; the original point for much Transgender theorising, but which is actually saying to transsexual people that they should voluntarily drop the privilege of passsing in order to &#8216;read themselves into the culture&#8217;. It also has the important reminder about &#8216;totalizing&#8221; accounts of trans, when she &#8220;speaks the forgotten word &#8230; The word is some.&#8221; All accounts of gender variant expereince are partial &#8211; no-one can speak for all the others, much less lay down how they should live their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzan</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2009/09/14/jasper-gregory/#comment-1702</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, I don&#039;t play games with misogynistic dickwads.

You aren&#039;t even transgender and women don&#039;t have beards and dicks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I don&#8217;t play games with misogynistic dickwads.</p>
<p>You aren&#8217;t even transgender and women don&#8217;t have beards and dicks.</p>
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		<title>By: You Degender Me I Degender You &#171; Jasper&#39;s Wardrobe</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2009/09/14/jasper-gregory/#comment-1700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[You Degender Me I Degender You &#171; Jasper&#39;s Wardrobe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Wing Transwomen have been disputing the authenticity of my womanness. See this vitriolic post by Suzan There is a misogynistic dick trying to make a name for hmself by running around claiming to be a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wing Transwomen have been disputing the authenticity of my womanness. See this vitriolic post by Suzan There is a misogynistic dick trying to make a name for hmself by running around claiming to be a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Gaughan</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2009/09/14/jasper-gregory/#comment-1678</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon Gaughan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect there is more to know about Jasper Gregory. His clear attempt to redefine everyone as satellites orbiting around his central conceit, combined with a penchant for street theater, suggests he has some hidden priorities. 

For me, he comes off as another male bossing around women to live out his fantasies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect there is more to know about Jasper Gregory. His clear attempt to redefine everyone as satellites orbiting around his central conceit, combined with a penchant for street theater, suggests he has some hidden priorities. </p>
<p>For me, he comes off as another male bossing around women to live out his fantasies.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzan</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2009/09/14/jasper-gregory/#comment-1674</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a feminist with a serious distrust of all men.  I think most men are misogynistic to a greater or lesser extent.  In the case of Jasper to a greater rather than lesser.

It is not reverse discrimination to distrust or dislike the oppressor if one is of the oppressed class, it is common sense.  Particularly when men use every tool at their disposal to oppress women.  But don&#039;t get me started because it is to easy for me to channel the wrath like spirit of Valerie Solanis or Aileen Wuornos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a feminist with a serious distrust of all men.  I think most men are misogynistic to a greater or lesser extent.  In the case of Jasper to a greater rather than lesser.</p>
<p>It is not reverse discrimination to distrust or dislike the oppressor if one is of the oppressed class, it is common sense.  Particularly when men use every tool at their disposal to oppress women.  But don&#8217;t get me started because it is to easy for me to channel the wrath like spirit of Valerie Solanis or Aileen Wuornos.</p>
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		<title>By: dyssonance</title>
		<link>http://womenborntranssexual.com/2009/09/14/jasper-gregory/#comment-1673</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to disagree with a single point.

Misogyny is not necessarily present whenever a man presumes to speak for a woman or women.

That&#039;s better termed appropriation.

Nor necessarily when telling a woman what she should do and how she should do it.

If that were the case, then no man&#039;s advice or consideration could ever possibly be anything but misogyny. IT would actively eradicate the existence of men who are feminists or allied.  And that&#039;s not the case.  

Indeed -- without meaning to offend you, that&#039;s a sexist statement, in a very literally sense.  Not misandry, though, merely sexist.

I also have to point out that a stereotypical member of Tri-Ess doesn&#039;t really put their bodies into it, although they absolutely put their lives into it.

My only problems with Jasper are his ignorance of what he speaks about, the manner in which he speaks it, and the fact that he&#039;s a political liability -- the physical being that our opponents need to &quot;prove&quot; the worst.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with a single point.</p>
<p>Misogyny is not necessarily present whenever a man presumes to speak for a woman or women.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s better termed appropriation.</p>
<p>Nor necessarily when telling a woman what she should do and how she should do it.</p>
<p>If that were the case, then no man&#8217;s advice or consideration could ever possibly be anything but misogyny. IT would actively eradicate the existence of men who are feminists or allied.  And that&#8217;s not the case.  </p>
<p>Indeed &#8212; without meaning to offend you, that&#8217;s a sexist statement, in a very literally sense.  Not misandry, though, merely sexist.</p>
<p>I also have to point out that a stereotypical member of Tri-Ess doesn&#8217;t really put their bodies into it, although they absolutely put their lives into it.</p>
<p>My only problems with Jasper are his ignorance of what he speaks about, the manner in which he speaks it, and the fact that he&#8217;s a political liability &#8212; the physical being that our opponents need to &#8220;prove&#8221; the worst.</p>
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